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Golgotha · May 28, 2010, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Darcy

I have 21 maxed titles and several close to max, but I don't "grind" at them. I also don't use bots to farm the gold for the ones that require items. The titles will be completed when it happens.

Luxon - I do some JQ or AB off and on; vanquish with friends because it is fun group activity. Got the Kurzick one maxed last year.
Sweet Tooth - I'm at 8,190 as of today and just add to it with sweets and sweet buffs as I use them. Drunkard - not interested
EoTN - maxed all the rep titles by playing and vanquishing. No raptor or vaettir farming.

The game is supposed to be FUN. When its not fun, why play?

There are a lot of fun things in the game that to enjoy them while maintaining efficiency, you're driven to grind out title ranks. Can you do them without doing so? Sure, but when these titles directly alter your build's efficiency, it becomes almost a necessity. There are many things I'd like to do with a few of my younger chars, but having to drag through the entire Prophecies storyline again is not something that I'd consider fun.

Mithie · May 28, 2010, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Why get the higher paying job rather than the lowbie, long hours one?
Why do people take diet pills/surgery rather than make a lifestyle change?
Why didnt you draw a conclusion before making such a thread?

Irrelavent.

This is not a job.

This is A VIDEO GAME.

nicpid · May 28, 2010, 07:41 PM // 19:41

some ppl are bored and bot just to get caught, others are maxing titles with no effort and one part is botting so it could sell the loot and earn some rl cash, and the biggest idiots are ones that just play the game and waste their life on it...

Fusylum · May 28, 2010, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Where else would you use them?
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no but you must never play this game, rofl

AlsPals · May 28, 2010, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Mithie

Irrelavent.

This is not a job.

This is A VIDEO GAME.

Irrelevant.

Tangible or not, people want the reward as quickly and as efficiently as possible. In very few instances could you farm as well let alone as efficiently as a bot who doesn't stop to piss.

How other people gain enjoyment in life doesn't have to be explained to you. Video game or not.

snaek · May 28, 2010, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by AlsPals

Irrelevant.

Tangible or not, people want the reward as quickly and as efficiently as possible. In very few instances could you farm as well let alone as efficiently as a bot who doesn't stop to piss.

How other people gain enjoyment in life doesn't have to be explained to you. Video game or not.

when people start playing games for reasons other than to actually enjoy playing the game, i think theres something wrong. well aside from the fact there are now ways to earn real life money through video games, but thats a different matter.

Golgotha · May 28, 2010, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by snaek

when people start playing games for reasons other than to actually enjoy playing the game, i think theres something wrong.

You're assuming that they aren't using a bot to skip portions of the game that most find less than enjoyable (title grinds). In this scenario, they're using bots to skip to the parts of the game they enjoy.

snaek · May 28, 2010, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

You're assuming that they aren't using a bot to skip portions of the game that most find less than enjoyable (title grinds). In this scenario, they're using bots to skip to the parts of the game they enjoy.

titles are not necessary

Trader of Secrets · May 28, 2010, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Botting in pve works similarly, getting ahead without doing any work, money and titles.

Kharmin · May 28, 2010, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Golgotha

You're assuming that they aren't using a bot to skip portions of the game that most find less than enjoyable (title grinds). In this scenario, they're using bots to skip to the parts of the game they enjoy.

It's obvious to me that this isn't what the designers intended. If it were, then these portions would not have been programmed into the story/game. Using third party applications to circumvent the original game ... well, that's the problem regardless of reason.

/shrug

Risus · May 28, 2010, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Because botting in PvE is most profitable. PvE you can set a bot to do something for hours on end without you even giving the client a glance. This means stacks of gold for little to no work.

Lord Dagon · May 28, 2010, 08:36 PM // 20:36

money. its all about the money. why spend 5hrs farming and then having to go to sleep and make no money while your sleeping? I'll share an example.

ok i make roughly 10 ecto an hour farming war supplies adn turning them into gifts and selling. Now(this is where a botter would come in in my shoes) lets say ,theoretically, i had to go to sleep @ 10pm and didnt wake up till 7am. That'd 90e you could've gotten while your sleeping. But,since your sleep obiously you cant play a video game(if you can good for you but you are in the minority ;D). So, people turn to bots. Now, when i sleep i dont have to miss on that 90e. When im @school/work i dont have to miss that money i could've been making.
It's simply almost always about the money.(ppl do it for titles too but in my example its money ;p)

pumpkin pie · May 28, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

you said money as if you sold it for "MONEY" cos if you sold it for game gold you said gold, wouldn't you? so why you say Money instead of gold?

kokoninja · May 28, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

I disagree the rep titles are skill based. Anyone can farm raptors until their computer overheats from boredom.

No, you're right. That's kind of why I separated it by saying "even rep titles". It wasn't skill based, but, it was something that for the most part naturally progressed with you as you made your way through the game and did other things like VQing. The problem, as you say, is that you max out at how much you can gain from just doing your thing. Eventually you do need to branch into the grind to max it out. That part sucks.

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The GW2 Karma systems sound a lot like an old grind we already have in GW. Think of the War in Kryta. Change the word "War Supplies" into "Karma". Now think of how many times you'll need to escort Courier Falken or complete the wanted bounties to get enough "Karma" to buy 10 Medals of Honor which can be traded for unique goods.

Aha. See I haven't done any WIK stuff yet. I was getting started with the Gwen/Thackeray melodrama and quit halfway through their whining.

This sounds so much less appealing to me now...

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Grind titles should have never been introduced, they were just bad game design to trick players into thinking the game had more content than it did (and effectively funnelled players from doing things they enjoyed and were fun, into doing things that they didn't enjoy and weren't fun because they were the most effective way to reach the ridiculously high title grind goal).

Agreed. It's the proverbial hamster wheel all games have. First it was needing titles to progress through content. Then it was needing them to make skills better, etc.

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Originally Posted by BoxOfCox

I don't think OP grasps how rich some players got from botting farms.

And I don't think those players realized how useless all that gold really is in the end.

Maybe it's just me?
I have 800plt sitting around collecting dust cause I really just don't know what to do with it.

Karate Jesus · May 28, 2010, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Karate Jesus is a Movie Reference :O .... sheesh . So stop fighting about religions

Actually, it's a quote from Frisky Dingo, which was a cartoon on Adult Swim (the same guys who recently made Archer, both of which are amazing).

The quote is: “It’s like finding out Jesus knew karate! Can you imagine? Karate Jesus?”

I harbor no disrespect for any religion or faith-practice, and you have to admit.....it would have been pretty awesome if Jesus had known karate. I imagine the book of Revelation would contain a lot more ninja-demon warriors and the Shepherd of Hermas would have been interesting (for a change).

EDIT: Btw, the people suggesting I might be fundie since I'm from Texas are sorely mistaken. I've been accused of postmodernist liberalism more times than I'd care to mention

Golgotha · May 28, 2010, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by snaek

titles are not necessary

They surely help when they directly affect a skill's ability.

pumpkin pie · May 28, 2010, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Actually, it's a quote from Frisky Dingo, which was a cartoon on Adult Swim (the same guys who recently made Archer, both of which are amazing).

The quote is: “It’s like finding out Jesus knew karate! Can you imagine? Karate Jesus?”

I harbor no disrespect for any religion or faith-practice, and you have to admit.....it would have been pretty awesome if Jesus had known karate. I imagine the book of Revelation would contain a lot more ninja-demon warriors and the Shepherd of Hermas would have been interesting (for a change).

It would be awesome indeed.

I suspect most people bot because they are lazy

MelechRic · May 28, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Are you aware that you are richer than pretty much everyone in this thread, including person on ecto-stack-overload screenshot?

(If i had dozen armbrace stacks, i'd make you serious offer ...)

Haha. Yeah, I've had offers before for it and never really entertained the idea of selling it. It's nothing special really except for the unconditional stat. It's not full damage, has a vanilla skin and the req is something retarded.

I guess I'm sentimentally attached to it because it was from very early on in the game when l really enjoyed playing with my friends/guildmates.

zwei2stein · May 28, 2010, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Well in that case, you should probably write a note and put it inside your wallet:

"If I die or am in an accident, I don't want no stinking theistic blood or organs, screw them. Also, if you are a theist and you are reading this, leave me alone and go away, stop resuscitating me with your dirty mouth and dirty hands."

OT: Did you know that some Jehovah’s Witnesses carried similar notes forbiding anyone attempting to save their life with transfusion or transplants? It actually led to some deaths...

AlsPals · May 28, 2010, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by snaek

titles are not necessary

*Sigh* the argument that still does nothing. Titles in the game happen to unlock/enhance aspects of gameplay. You don't need titles to play, but then again, you don't need to play a game with features you disagree with. See what I did?

@snaek
You use the bots to skip portions that you don't have fun with, so you can get to the ones you do have fun with. Unless of course your selling items for cash.